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The next is the transcription of an interview with the representative Jim Himes, a Democrat of Connecticut, which was issued in “Fac The Nation with Margaret Brennan” on July 20, 2025.

Margaret Brennan: We now go to the main Democrat in the Chamber Intelligence Committee, Jim Himes representative. It joins us from Connecticut. Good morning to you. Congressman, you are in the Financial Services Committee, so we collect right there. The Supreme Court indicated that the president of the United States does not have the authority to say goodbye to the president of the Fed unless there is a cause. It seems that the White House is trying to build a case that have cause. If they continue with that, what happens?

Congressman Jim Himes: Yes, well, you know, Margaret, the last question you asked the secretary, shows what scam is. And I just heard all his thing. And, you know, if you are over five years old, you have treated with Hucksters and scammers. Everything will be great in two weeks. For August 1, we will have a deal. The American people are going to be very happy. Complete failure to understand the facts, right? He said tariffs are paid by foreign countries. Tariffs are not paid by foreign countries. He said, Jay Powell is torturing the American people. Margaret, you had no time, but if you had a minute, you would have said, wait a minute. There is an Open Market Federal Committee that consists of seven Governors of the Fed, and all the heads of the Central Bank offices throughout the country. That committee, composed of people who have been appointed by democratic and republican presidents, establish interest rates, right? So, this notion that Jay Powell is unilaterally stopping a decrease in interest rates, which, by the way, in the face, for those who know a little about the economy, in the face of inflation of the hand, which we are seeing, would be absolutely bananas. So, what you just saw was a master class of a Huckster and a scammer who uses words like torture that are very, very dangerous words, not only for the economy, but for the physical security of people like Jay Powell.

Margaret Brennan: Well, just to be clear, that’s why I said that it is not the unilateral decision of the president for the reason he raised, that there is a committee that makes the decision. The inflation rate for the CPI was 2.7% if it eliminates the energy of food and food, which is more volatile, it rises two tenths of a percentage. So, these economic data are what we are pointing out there, not the opinion about prices. But is there a setback from the congress that can be done? I mean, what happens if there is a tweet that says that the fed chair has left?

REP. HIMES: Well, Interestingly, Inside The White House, and I Don’s They’re Happy to do, or scholause you Trump up subm Baloney-Like-Charge Associated with a renewal of the headquarters, There is Going To Be a Massive Market Reaction, Becouse You Cannot Lie To The Capital Markets. We saw this on the day after the day of liberation, before we were all familiar with the taco trade. The day after the day of liberation, the actions and the bond markets took a footprint. Then, I suppose someone is telling the president because he does not care if he follows the law or not, and the law is very clear that he cannot fire the Fed chair. But someone is telling the president, the economic instability that is caused when the cornerstone of the global economy and the capital markets suddenly have a politically promoted interest rate policy. I think that is the only thing that is retaining them.

Margaret Brennan: Congressman, we are going to take a quick break and continue our conversation about a variety of issues. We need to mention it on the other side, stay with us.

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Margaret Brennan: Welcome again to face the nation. We continue our conversation now with the congressman of Connecticut Jim Himes, who is the classification member in the Intelligence Committee. Congressman, I want to resume that issue. Only a statement of fact here: a bipartisan investigation of the Senate Intelligence Committee found that the evaluation of the United States intelligence community of the Russian interference in the 2016 elections was correct. They considered that it was so bipartisanly. I am saying that because today and yesterday, the director of the intelligence community, Tulsi Gabbard, said that he refers to former US prosecution officials who accused of traitorous conspiracy, a coup against President Trump, because he evaluated that Russia had tried to influence the elections. This is weeks after the director of the CIA issued a report that criticizes the crafts that was carried out in that 2016 evaluation. Is there any legal basis for some type of prosecution here?

REP. HIMES: None, absolutely none. Margaret, what you saw of the director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, was not only a lie, but a very dangerous lie, because when you start throwing the language such as sedition and betrayal, someone will hurt. Now, you pointed out that the Senate Committee, then led by Marco Rubio, a Republican and now secretary of state, unanimously found Russia entrusting into the elections to try to help Donald Trump. John Durham, special advisor designated by Donald Trump, investigated this, discovered that the Senate report was correct. Now, what Tulsi is doing is a small hand game, but it is worth focusing. She says that the Intelligence Committee, at first, said that the Russians could not use cyber tools to mess with the voting infrastructure, the machines that pollute our votes. And that was true then, and now it is true, although the Russians tried to enter a couple of states, you know, the electoral technical infrastructure. They did not, but it is well known and well established that the Russians pirate the DNC and undertook any number of other influence operations, including the purchase of Facebook ads assemblies to discredit Hillary Clinton. That is not in contest, right? And what is horrible of all this lie of Gabbard is, number one, puts people at risk. And at this time, you know, the respirators in the mouth in Maga online are simply coming out of their minds according to a lie. And number two, the intelligence community is full of very, good people who do their job every day, and now they are seeing their leader to do something that each and every one of them knows that it is dishonest and is very bad for the safety of American people when that dynamic is out there.

Margaret Brennan: That Senate report is online, the findings are there, but I understand their distinction there, and it is important in influence versus physical piracy. Are–

REP. HIMES:- Because of the way Margaret, if I can, if I can, asked about the reference. Here is the test. This is Epstein again. Criminal references. We are going to process Barack Obama, you know, treacherous and sedious. Here is the thing, and I hope that 4, 5, 6, weeks now, do not take it from this Democrat. 4,5,6, weeks from now on, let’s see if this administration, Tulsi Gabbard, accusing a former president of betrayal. Let’s see if they bring charges. They won’t. They will not, because there is no judge on earth, nor a single judge who will deal with anything other than the laugh that will be heard from the Atlantic to the Pacific in this country. So, the proof of this is 4.5.6 weeks from now on, is the DOJ presenting charges? And the answer to that is no. And now we will be in Epstein World. We are like, wait a minute, a traitorous conspiracy of a former president. Why is the Department of Justice presenting charges? And the answer to that question is that it is a lie.

Margaret Brennan: Understood. On the other issue, I want to ask him as a Democrat, the New York Times, the DNC, is informing the DNC test of what went wrong in the last elections will move away from the decisions taken by the Biden Turn Harris campaign. You were very direct from the beginning asking then President Biden to leave this race. You don’t analyze your words normally. Do you really think it is possible that your party self -adapts the problems without looking at the presidential career in terms of the candidates?

REP. HIMES: Look, we need to recognize and everything, and all of the United States saw it the night of that disastrous debate in July before the elections that Joe Biden was not going to win the elections. That was not only evident in the debate. It was evident in the survey that his people were keeping him. Well, then that is a fact. Now, Democrats are a great tent game. We go from Joe Manchin, who is practically republican, to AOC who is a democratic socialist. Therefore, we always have difficulty finding a type of policy set, a set of messages, and is particularly difficult to do when we do not have a presidential candidate. You know, a presidential candidate, of course, attracts attention, is a kind of a person who must run throughout the country and speak for the party as a whole. At this time, we are having many conversations with many different opinions, and I understand that it is greatly frustrating for the Democrats who are so upset by the result of the elections. But you know, apart from fighting with the tools we have at this time, we must be introspective about what we have done wrong that it resulted in a dramatic victory of Donald Trump in 2020*. There is a lot of anger in the Democratic Party, and my message to my Democratic friends is fine. I have the anger, believe me. I was in the Chamber on January 6, 2021 and worried about my own life. But what needs to be done at this time is to be introspective and ask what we can do better to attract more people, including those people who have lost again and again in the elections.

Margaret Brennan: 15 months of the mid -period races. Congressman Jim Himes, thank you. We will return.

*President Donald Trump won the 2024 elections. Former President Biden won the 2020 elections.